Time to address the COMMENTS about Jameis Winston in Tampa Bay Times

Down Jameis

My reply to comments for TBTimes’ “What to do about Jameis Winston”.

The Question posed was what do you do if you have a Winston Jersey, and 40% (the largest segment) said wear it with pride, 34% won’t wear it any more and 26% aren’t sure.

Im going to address each comment left, but I can’t help but wonder how

Up Jameis

many of these anti-Jameis comments are from NFL fans who have cheered one of the many NFL players who have been accused of much worse than what Jameis did. Like the fact that Pittsburgh Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger locked himself in a bathroom with a female while his ‘boys’ played lookout as he forced himself on her. This is from a police report, you know, that thing you get from Police when an actual crime has been committed.

Let me say for the record, a woman should be treated with respect; and when a woman is at work, you dont hit on her.. she’s working. But if men didn’t touch  women as an initiation of sex, many of us wouldn’t even be running around. Lets be honest, how many of you men who are reading this  have ever gotten the wrong (or right) signal from a woman, so you made your move? When the woman gives you a look like you better take that hand off me, you better do just that, because anything more is wrong. But making a move, is NOT the same as a sexual attack. Do you want to live in a world where you have to hand a contract to your date between the appetizer and Main course; ” I would like to touch you tonight at some point, please acknowledge permission for fondling this evening”. No one likes being  hit on at work, or at the wrong time; but guys get the wrong signal sometimes. And if Jameis pulled away or said “oh my bad, I must have misread your signals”, he did not do anything wrong enough to justify a suspension of even one game, although perhaps should use some better judgment.   So…

 

HERE WE GO… Comments from Greg Auman’s “What to do with Jameis Winston”…

‘We should have drafted the other kid’

I’ve been an original season ticket holder since 1972. It says so on my tix. At that time there was talk of  Tampa getting an NFL franchise, and one could sign up for tickets, so I did. Been a season ticket holder since. My tickets say “member since 1972.”

“Me and another ticket holder had a little ceremony, complete with steaks and beer, because we needed an open fire to burn our (very expensive) #3 jerseys. Good riddance. We should have drafted the other kid. He’s already taken his team to the playoffs.”

— Bil Sidwell, 75, Dade City

BUCSTOP's take: Really? Since 1972? Sure you weren't watching Morris, Czonka and Greise guide the Dolphins to a perfect 17-0 Super Bowl championship? Yes...there is history BEFORE 1976, the Tampa Area was awarded an NFL franchise in 1974, and during 74 and 75 it went through the process of Picking a uniform, a name, and the addition of 27K seats to fill in the end zones and form the now famous low levels of what would be known as the BIG SOMBRERO. and yes there was a Tampa Sports Authority since the 60s... but the tale tale is the long time bucs fans who are suing the Bucs for canceling their season tickets because they've been found to be selling them to fans of the other team.... they talked about one from the first year, and a LONG TIME ticket holder from 1979, and one from 1995. Those are theslong ones!                                                                                                                                                             SOs, you may be legit, I just know if I had a dollar for everyone who claimed to be a Bucs fan since the first season, Id be rich. Teqhere were only about 38K season ticket holders, and thats from 44 years ago. The odds that every time something bad happens, I see a NEW name appear from someone who claims to be a Season Ticket holder from the Original season...WEll MAYBE!! So ill give you benefit of the doubt, because if thats true about your ticket saying that, its pretty cool.  but being a Bucs fan 4 years before there were BUCS,before the team was even named.... You sure it wasn't the Orange Bowl??

Jameis fan from the ‘other side of the pond’

We Brits support our team regardless. Some are not Jameis fans, but still support him. Whatever the eventual outcome of the current mess that he is in, we will still support him and the team. I personally do some voluntary work within the British judicial system. Whilst punishment is paramount, so is reform and rehabilitation.

Someone who works to stamp out the trigger for their mistakes will have their sentence mitigated. My take on the Jameis situation was that it was caused by alcohol. … If he truly has “eliminated alcohol from his life,” he deserves a lot of credit for that. Jameis, admit your faults, take your medicine, move on with your life, and win us a Super Bowl. Will we be getting rid of our Winston jerseys? Not on this side of the pond.

— Gary Botteley, 62, Hinckley, England

Sounds like most of the Bucs UK members I've met. Die hards.

No longer part of the fan base

We all have daughters and granddaughters. We all have young sons and grandsons. It is our responsibility to teach our children their conduct is always to be held in the highest esteem. There is no duality. There is no double standard. Therefore, we have decided that as long as the ownership of the Bucs do not live up to a level of ethical standards we espouse and wish to instill in our children, we will no longer be part of the fan base.”

— Al Bartolo, retired, Seminole

Three words for you. Glazer Childrens Museum. Thats the ethics of the ownership. Possibly not firing someone when there is no arrest report, no civil lawsuit, nothing. Ill take ethics of innocent until proven guilty. Ill also take the stand of making a move on a girl as not being a sexual assault.

No history of ‘bad behavior around Tampa Bay’

No matter how much of a diehard fan someone is, his actions are indefensible on so many levels. My son is a Winston fan and my wife and I have taken him to his football camp every year he has had it. So when a kid sees his favorite player suspended and as a parent you have to explain why, it’s very embarrassing and disappointing.

As Jameis does not have a history of bad behavior around Tampa Bay, I am willing to give him another chance, as we all make mistakes. I hope that he takes this as a learning opportunity and not let all his good work in the community be in vain for any more bad personal decisions.

— Reickah L. Collins, 39, Wesley Chapel

Why is it embarrassing to explain to your son? Explain how the NFL has a conduct policy, and how you do not need to be found guilty in court of law to be found violating that policy; and other companies have such policies.  explain how touching a woman should never be done without consent, and that sometimes men take a woman smiles and hair flips as consent when they are not. ...and that if you do make a move, you better be prepared to apologize if your wrong. Reickah makes a good point about Winstons good work in the community.

My fault for buying in

I am at a complete loss as to what to do with my Jameis jersey. It’s been a fixture every Sunday since (his) draft day. … Everything I saw from both Winston and the team made me think he had grown up from the idiot who made the news in every possible wrong way while in Tallahassee.

I’m profoundly disappointed in the organization’s response to the allegations, the lack of response to the suspension, and the general lack of dialogue with fans about everything to do with Winston. I’m profoundly disgusted with Winston and, honestly, I feel like it’s my fault for buying in at all.

I hope from here that the team can make the correct decision and let the option lapse and draft a replacement this year. I don’t even particularly care if he ends up somewhere and excels as a starting quarterback in the league. I just don’t want to have to make the decision to support him.

— Brent McCue, 29, Denver

Well Brent you get the MORON of the day award. GROWN UP FROM THE IDIOT HE WAS IN TALLAHASEE?  Um.. he has... Since the suspension vs Clemson, Winston has done nothing up until two years ago. Im not going to bring up what a college kid does in college. he got his wake up call, and answered it. Remember, this is from 2.5 years ago, and it was obviously not serious enough to cause this woman to sue Jameis, call the police on him, or anything. Brent, if you tell me you've never made a move on a woman, I will... well, I will probably not be surprised.

Work with children is window dressing

I say get rid of him and the sooner, the better. I’m tired of his antics and not owning up to his responsibilities. His minimal work with children is nothing but window dressing. Buc fans deserve better.

—Bill Zaremba, 62, South Tampa

Winston will not and cannot change

Winston, like most athletes, has been coddled and given the benefit of the doubt his entire life. He will not and cannot change. He has never been held accountable and has a complete disrespect for women. As a married man of 25 years and father of a young woman, I can no longer support such a person. I will still root for the Buccaneers, but they need to realize that when a person has had this attitude ingrained in him for years, they will not change.

— Dan Weber, 54, St. Petersburg

Dan Weber everyone... take a look, because people like this will soon be extinct. NO Dan, its not true at all that people cannot or Will not change, its just that people DONT change.. Most that is. It takes a major life changing event to get people to change, for Jameis that was the suspension against Clemson.  To say people cannot change is ignorant. To suggest you know he WILL NOT change                                                                                 is just double ignorant. Change your name to Archie Bunker.

Just a hand slap

It’s becoming more and more obvious the NFL does not care about women. It appears professional athletes are above the law. It’s the only profession that allows sexual abuse of women with just a hand slap.

—Jim Wright, 55, Ponte Vedra

NFL doesn't care about women everyone. The full month of Pink items for sale for breast cancer, Suspending STAR players for acts against women. What do you want the NFL to do Jim? Castrate him for making a move on a woman? Watch out for this one folks, people with the strictest punishments are the ones who use higher moral authority on everyone but themselves.
Worst $100 I have ever spent

I have had Bucs season tickets since 1978. I had concerns about Winston’s accuracy and ability to stay out of trouble when he was drafted. After two seasons, he was headed in the right direction, so I shelled out $100 for a No. 3 jersey. Worst $100 I have ever spent.

I am benching my No. 3 jersey and bringing No. 47 (John Lynch) out of retirement. Once again, it is time for the Bucs to admit they made a mistake and move on. Don’t waste any more time trying to fix something that can’t be trusted.

— Jim Arntz, 66, Palm Harbor

Jim Sees immature player in college. Jim sees his team draft former immature player. Jim buys jersey of former immature player. Jim sees former immature player mature over last two years since incident was reported to have happened. Jim puts more stock in report than maturing from first and last few years.

Time to cut ties

As a longtime Bucs fan and charter season-ticket holder, I believe the Bucs should cut ties with Winston. And this is coming from someone who has been divorced four times, I am ashamed to say. One thing I never did or would ever do is violate a woman’s rights. He shows a behavioral pattern which likely will not change.

Hiding behind alcohol is no excuse, and not being totally honest about the whole situation is terrible. … I believe the time has come for the NFL commissioner to not be judge and jury. A conduct commission needs to be implemented to  fairly administer discipinary action.

— Vince Gabel, 65, Clearwater

Vince, if a woman touches you, are you going to go for it, or complain. If you complain, its ok, lets say your married. But do you feel you were sexually assaulted? or just hit on?
Let me be clear, I don’t condone the action, and Jameis Winston should have been minding his Ps and Qs. But as someone who has messed up with regards to the side of the law, I can tell you most people are forgiving when it comes to my story because of what they hear when I tell them my side of the story. They dont hear excuses, they dont hear me blame anyone other than myself. I take responsibility, and you can hear it in my voice.
Jameis has quit drinking, so he must have been willing to give that fun thing up because he realized when you do that, you dont know what can happen to you.
Seems to me that is taking responsibility, lets not forget that while its nice for someone to come out and issue a statement of apology, he may be told by lawyers what to and what NOT TO say to avoid any issues.
Personally, I am tired of self-righteous people that attack without looking in the mirror.  If you’ve ever cheered on Ben Roethlisberger, Michael Irvin, Warren Moon, Ezekiel Elliot, Julian Edelman, Mark Sanchez, Richie Incognito, Adam “Pacmacn” Jones, Adriane Peterson, Brandon Marshall, and Johnny Manziel (some of those with multiple infractions), then you should not tell me the Bucs need to clean house with Winston.
This is more than just about one persons job at QB, this is about a Head Coach and a GM who are on the hot seat this year. This is about rookies and veterans and free agents, about players with no time on the clock of life who need to win now to avoid disappointment.
Ill be the first one to sound the alarms if anything happens again, short of outright manipulation. Jameis needs to not be alone with any non family member. When UPS or FED EX comes to your house, they never enter your dwelling. There a reason for that… in the real world, “He Said She Said” is FOR REAL career ending.

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